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van zandt. with a welcome to you both. let's pick up on this radicalized notion. we have a description, a very heartfelt description, where one almost feels sad and sympathetic to the unk cle of these two brothers from maryland and he said, you know, i abhor what they've done, he wants no association with them whatsoever. interestingly, the sister of the suspects, who was spoken to from west new york, and she described them as being very smart young men. is this a perfect combination for radicalization? because she had not seen her brothers or spoken to them for some time. a matter of years. the uncle who lives here in the states as well, in maryland. so seemingly, you know, a close relative had not spoken to them since they were young boys. what does that tell you about their makeup? >> well what really counts is the influence of the older, now diseased, brother. realize, he was not only the older brother, he was the more physical. and he kind of took on the father role too. he was the one who
van zandt. with a welcome to you both. let's pick up on this radicalized notion. we have a description, a very heartfelt description, where one almost feels sad and sympathetic to the unk cle of these two brothers from maryland and he said, you know, i abhor what they've done, he wants no association with them whatsoever. interestingly, the sister of the suspects, who was spoken to from west new york, and she described them as being very smart young men. is this a perfect combination for...
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. >> clint van zandt, do you think that was on purpose to alert whoever the suspect was in this case that things weren't going to be that hot for them, it was time to make a run? we'll see, of course. >> yeah, we'll see. does being would be a good time if he was in one place to start moving but chris, one report we had from the local affiliate was that dozen shots. that's about the capacity of the magazine from a semiautomatic pistols. so the big concern that i have right now is this over abundance of manpower and fire power. this takes very disciplined on the part of law enforcement. you want to get there, you want to get a perimeter around the area but you only want a few designated officers or s.w.a.t. teams to deal with it. the last thing in the world we need is crossfire going at the same time so whoever is on the on scene commander has got to be real disciplined right now with what they have. worst case scenario we could end up shooting somebody we don't want to shoot. >> what do you make of the atf? we just saw someone putting on a bulletproof vest? >> we have over 30 federal
. >> clint van zandt, do you think that was on purpose to alert whoever the suspect was in this case that things weren't going to be that hot for them, it was time to make a run? we'll see, of course. >> yeah, we'll see. does being would be a good time if he was in one place to start moving but chris, one report we had from the local affiliate was that dozen shots. that's about the capacity of the magazine from a semiautomatic pistols. so the big concern that i have right now is...
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clint van zandt, this is ever-changing. the interesting part of the conversation you and i just both heard, was that law enforcement officials saying if you knew what we knew about this location, you wouldn't be this close. ha do you surmise from that? >> well, i surmise from that that they have reason to believe there's additional explosives at that location. i mean weapons i think are obvious, but explosives could very well be at that location. but, look, from a negotiations from a law enforcement perspective, there's no shots being fired. there's no bombs going off. so what looks like nothing going on is exactly what law enforcement wants it to be at this point. >> this new video coming in from cambridge, massachusetts, in front of the home of one of the suspects. we've been in this discussion before. the concern about booby traps, we were looking at the video as they were looking at cars in front of the suspect's home. as they go from location to location and there's three crime scenes at the moment, that concern of an
clint van zandt, this is ever-changing. the interesting part of the conversation you and i just both heard, was that law enforcement officials saying if you knew what we knew about this location, you wouldn't be this close. ha do you surmise from that? >> well, i surmise from that that they have reason to believe there's additional explosives at that location. i mean weapons i think are obvious, but explosives could very well be at that location. but, look, from a negotiations from a law...
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thank you, clint van zandt, thank you, phillip. please join us again. >>> much more on boston bombing coming up this hour. when we return we're going to get into the law of this case. dzhokhar tsarnaev was formally charged today. he'll be prosecuted through the criminal justice system despite republicans who say he should be treated as an enemy combatant. >>> later, the russian connection. we have new details about the older brother, tamerlan, and his six-month trip overseas to russia, that area, as he became increasingly more devout in his religion and radicalism. >>> here in washington, the marathon bombings have already started to change the debate on things like -- you knew this was coming -- immigration. >>> finally, life started to return to normal this weekend in boston. i was up there as the slow healing begins. this is "hardball." as we say up there, "hardball." the place for politics. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from natio
thank you, clint van zandt, thank you, phillip. please join us again. >>> much more on boston bombing coming up this hour. when we return we're going to get into the law of this case. dzhokhar tsarnaev was formally charged today. he'll be prosecuted through the criminal justice system despite republicans who say he should be treated as an enemy combatant. >>> later, the russian connection. we have new details about the older brother, tamerlan, and his six-month trip overseas...
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clint van zandt and michael leiter stay with us. much more, including former new york mayor, of course, rudy giuliani. he's going to join us here. now what we're learning about the background of the two suspected bombers, as i said. the two brothers. this is "hardball." ♪ [ male announcer ] book ahead and save up to 20 percent at doubletree.com, so you can sit back, relax and enjoy. doubletree by hilton. where the little things mean everything. [ male announcer ] from the way the bristles move to the way they clean, once you try an oral-b deep sweep power brush, you'll never go back to a regular manual brush. its three cleaning zones with dynamic power bristles reach between teeth with more brush movements to remove up to 100% more plaque than a regular manual brush. and even 76% more plaque than sonicare flexcare in hard to reach areas. oral-b deep sweep 5000 power brush. life opens up when you do. i don'without goingcisions to angie's list first. oral-b deep sweep 5000 power brush. you'll find reviews on home repair to healthcar
clint van zandt and michael leiter stay with us. much more, including former new york mayor, of course, rudy giuliani. he's going to join us here. now what we're learning about the background of the two suspected bombers, as i said. the two brothers. this is "hardball." ♪ [ male announcer ] book ahead and save up to 20 percent at doubletree.com, so you can sit back, relax and enjoy. doubletree by hilton. where the little things mean everything. [ male announcer ] from the way the...
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with us former fbi profiler clint van zandt. the governor said among other things he thanked the community for their -- for their staying calm and heeding law enforcement advice and they also mentioned -- sorry. going back to the press conference. let's take a listen. >> we're obviously way behind. it's indicative of the leads we continue to run down here and things change, they change quickly and sometimes we have to change direction. i want to begin by saying we are progressing through this neighborhood, going door to door, street to street. well over 60 or 70% of what we want to cover up there. we do not have any development to tell you in terms of that search up there. there has been no apprehension at this point. the second thing i want to talk about briefly is this afternoon, there will be a controlled explosion, if you will, by some of the explosive ordinance folks in cambridge at a house we have secured earlier today. it's done out of an abundance of caution. it's done for the safety of the law enforcement officials that
with us former fbi profiler clint van zandt. the governor said among other things he thanked the community for their -- for their staying calm and heeding law enforcement advice and they also mentioned -- sorry. going back to the press conference. let's take a listen. >> we're obviously way behind. it's indicative of the leads we continue to run down here and things change, they change quickly and sometimes we have to change direction. i want to begin by saying we are progressing through...
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van zandt. james, what stood out to you on the press conference just now? >> we got a lot of information from the superintendent there. we know that he fled on foot and so that tells us a lot of things. we know he was in a shootout just prior to that and from an eyewitness that msnbc had on today, we know he had a handgun. we don't know of a reported rifle that we saw or we have any information, only a pistol. so he drives through the police cordoned and he has a handgun, we believe he does. but he's not carrying full of bombs. he could have a suicide vest on. that could be the worst case scenario. the bad part is, he knows how to carjack a car and i've had people in this situation before, fugitives running from us when we're in hot pursuit, they have a gun and that's exactly what they do because they have done it before. so a guy carjacked a car before, he carjacks another car. so if people turn up missing and haven't come home or something, that would be something to pay attention to. also, he
van zandt. james, what stood out to you on the press conference just now? >> we got a lot of information from the superintendent there. we know that he fled on foot and so that tells us a lot of things. we know he was in a shootout just prior to that and from an eyewitness that msnbc had on today, we know he had a handgun. we don't know of a reported rifle that we saw or we have any information, only a pistol. so he drives through the police cordoned and he has a handgun, we believe he...
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i want to bring in clint van zandt, former fbi profiler and nbc analyst who joins us on the phone. i don't knf we've covered sin i la these certain notound likede variety crinals. we wan not jump to conclusions without the evidence that suput the eyewitness tt we spo explosive devicehewere throwinghem police.rsions,hooting at the fromhat you've heard from him, does tha off any additional inght as to whether this may can tell you it's bos highly unusual for any type of street criminal t descred as a grenade or any type of explove device. and, of course, we've h one witness suggest there was even a pressure coor type of device that was in theandsf the spects. at this time, there seems toe more eyetness informioth would link it t the suspects being sought as oed to as you incate, thgarden variety iminals. the challenge right now for law enforcement,ell, it's a chlengfor the media to understand what's going on. thehallge for law enforcement is should they have one individual icustody. you either have this shooter armed with explosives in a hicl or on ft. ther way capable of hijacking a
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profiler clint van zandt and hostage thoeshtor for the atf and criminologist james fox and john j college science professor. let me begin with nbc's katie tour who has been live on the scene. tell us where you are and what you are seeing. >> i'm in watertown. i don't want to give you too much about the location because the police have asked us not to give too much out about the efforts. somewhere in watertown behind me here we believe there is a standoff going on. police believe they have cornered one of the suspects, the guy in the white hat. this is where things came to a head if you call it that last night. early this morning when police gave chase and they cornered the two suspects. the black hat and the white hat suspects and encountered a shootout. in that, the suspect in the black hat was shot dead. his brother with the white hat managed to flee the scene and he is believed to be somewhere in watertown ever since. just in case the city of boston put down a lockdown for pretty much everybody. asked everyone in the suburbs and in boston itself to stay inside. this is not just for the
profiler clint van zandt and hostage thoeshtor for the atf and criminologist james fox and john j college science professor. let me begin with nbc's katie tour who has been live on the scene. tell us where you are and what you are seeing. >> i'm in watertown. i don't want to give you too much about the location because the police have asked us not to give too much out about the efforts. somewhere in watertown behind me here we believe there is a standoff going on. police believe they have...
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i don't think we have a connection with clint van zandt right now. a little bit of technical difficulties. we're going to try and reconnect with clint. but for recapping for all of you, this all went down last night. really shortly after 9:00 p.m. was when dzhokhar tsarnaev was taken into custody and the result was quite extraordinary. people were cheering in the streets. i think probably cheers all over this nation for the end of this really a reign of terror for some 24 hours for the city of boston and its suburbs. but also, really since monday. let's go right now and talk about what the investigators are going to do as they get to the bottom of everything. the next move with mark rossini, he helped create the national counterterrorism center. thank you for joining me all the way from paris. we appreciate that. let's talk about what will happen with dzhokhar tsarnaev, now going to be questioned by the elite 450i value detainee interrogation group made up of a bunch of high-ranking officials, fbi, cia, defense department. beyond the obvious of why,
i don't think we have a connection with clint van zandt right now. a little bit of technical difficulties. we're going to try and reconnect with clint. but for recapping for all of you, this all went down last night. really shortly after 9:00 p.m. was when dzhokhar tsarnaev was taken into custody and the result was quite extraordinary. people were cheering in the streets. i think probably cheers all over this nation for the end of this really a reign of terror for some 24 hours for the city of...
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i would like to bring in former fbi profiler clint van zandt. and clint, we've been following this together all night. given what you've heard about these individuals have been explosives, the way they engage law enforcement in the extensive fire fight, go you have suspicions these are, in fact, the suspects that police have been looking for in this boston bombing case? >> well, this could be, i think, one or more of the suspects. what we have to realize too is we have pictures of the two primary suspects. there may be other individuals involved, at least providing some type of aid and comfort to these two individuals. so whether the person they have in custody is an exact match to these photographs or not, law enforcement right now is trying to sort through this. as you probably know, pictures very released by the fbi showing the two primary suspects together, it would be a relatively simple task with the person they supposedly have in custody to get facial photographs with an iphone and send those to investigators who have good copies of the p
i would like to bring in former fbi profiler clint van zandt. and clint, we've been following this together all night. given what you've heard about these individuals have been explosives, the way they engage law enforcement in the extensive fire fight, go you have suspicions these are, in fact, the suspects that police have been looking for in this boston bombing case? >> well, this could be, i think, one or more of the suspects. what we have to realize too is we have pictures of the two...
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. >> joining me right now is clint van zandt, former fbi master profiler and hostage negotiator. clint worked on many major cases from the oklahoma city bombing to the unabomber and now is a crime analyst for nbc. clint, thanks very much for weighing in on this. let me ask you, in terms of this individual that we are focused on, do you expect that he is wi hiding out, injured from the gunshot wounds last night, or do you expect that he could what's your take on this? >> there's probably three different ways that this could go, at least. remember in that shoot-out last night, his brother was hit multiple times, to include fragments, perhaps, from some type of a grenade or incendiary device. so it stands to reason if his brother and he were both in a shoot-out and his brother was shot so many times, he may have been hit too. so law enforcement, as they look in this 20-block square area that save searched about 80% right now, they're looking for perhaps he's wounded and crawled under a house some place, perhaps he broke into either an empty house or he's in an apartment, holding hos
. >> joining me right now is clint van zandt, former fbi master profiler and hostage negotiator. clint worked on many major cases from the oklahoma city bombing to the unabomber and now is a crime analyst for nbc. clint, thanks very much for weighing in on this. let me ask you, in terms of this individual that we are focused on, do you expect that he is wi hiding out, injured from the gunshot wounds last night, or do you expect that he could what's your take on this? >> there's...
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van zandt. james, clear up something for me based on what we just heard. they're no longer looking for a third person. dzhokhar is the only person they're looking for. some folks were being allowed to leave work and go home. we also heard from governor patrick people should stay in their homes. putting all of these pieces together in your opinion, do they have dzhokhar cornered or do not know where he is? >> well, i think they think they have him in an area near watertown that's a block or some houses you keep seeing on the feed there. they think he's in there. they've set up a heavy perimeter there with the s.w.a.t. and srt teams and doing a methodical search. fact there's no third person, s.e., is really a good point. i think that takes the tension down a little bit. >> yeah. >> because then we back up to the bombs around the city. they have this bomb isolated that they keep talking about they're going to do controlled detonation on. that bomb is not going to hurt anybody. the bomb technicians
van zandt. james, clear up something for me based on what we just heard. they're no longer looking for a third person. dzhokhar is the only person they're looking for. some folks were being allowed to leave work and go home. we also heard from governor patrick people should stay in their homes. putting all of these pieces together in your opinion, do they have dzhokhar cornered or do not know where he is? >> well, i think they think they have him in an area near watertown that's a block...
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i want to bring in cliff van zandt former fbi profiler. clint, you've been hearing everything. my apologies there. you have been hearing everything about learning more and more little bit about who these brothers are. what kind of profile would you be putting together right now? >> well, number one, we all have to admit it is amazing to get this much information this quickly. you look yesterday we barely had two photographs. today we've got the full pedigree basically on these guys right now. and i agree with some of your recent comments. what we're trying to understand is -- are these just two individuals just decided to do this terrible act or are they part of some type of cell where. were they a sleeper cell that was put into place here simply sitting here waiting to act out. we know one of the individuals on his social networking site made negative comments about russia. we also know that the russian president is watching this situation very close because, obviously, they're going to have the olympics and he's going to have to deal with separatists who, unfortunately, have
i want to bring in cliff van zandt former fbi profiler. clint, you've been hearing everything. my apologies there. you have been hearing everything about learning more and more little bit about who these brothers are. what kind of profile would you be putting together right now? >> well, number one, we all have to admit it is amazing to get this much information this quickly. you look yesterday we barely had two photographs. today we've got the full pedigree basically on these guys right...
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joining me to put this into perspective, clint van zandt. clint, what do you make of this, the fact that hammer ltamerlan more talkative of two, that he dresses in a manner that would befit a stereotype of someone who is becoming religiously involved in islam and the like, and then a month ago changes his outlook. >> yeah. i think he's the one we're trying to understand. i can understand the suspected terrorist 19-year-old we have in custody right now. he's described as almost being a puppy to his older brother. his brother not only is the older brother but he's the father figure. so, you know, i got that. but for the older brother, you know, part of this, alex, may date back to 2009. he had an argument with a girlfriend. you know, he was a boxer, and his girlfriend would come to the ring and she would kind of push him and shove him. one day he just allegedly shoved her or hit her. she filed charges against him. when he filed an application to become a u.s. citizen because of that domestic violence charge against him, that was part of the re
joining me to put this into perspective, clint van zandt. clint, what do you make of this, the fact that hammer ltamerlan more talkative of two, that he dresses in a manner that would befit a stereotype of someone who is becoming religiously involved in islam and the like, and then a month ago changes his outlook. >> yeah. i think he's the one we're trying to understand. i can understand the suspected terrorist 19-year-old we have in custody right now. he's described as almost being a...
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>> clint van zandt, james cavanaugh, thanks, gentlemen. bring you back later. >>> coming up, tensions and caution rise as another huge city prepares for another big marathon tomorrow. you are watching msnbc. ♪ lookin' good, flo! feelin' good! feelin' real good! [ engine revs ] boat protection people love. now, that's progressive. call or click today. ♪ [ indistinct shouting ] [ male announcer ] time and sales data. split-second stats. [ indistinct shouting ] ♪ it's so close to the options floor... [ indistinct shouting, bell dinging ] ...you'll bust your brain box. ♪ all on thinkorswim from td ameritrade. ♪ [ applause ] >> thank you! >> thank you! >> cheers in watertown, massachusetts, after the capture of the boston marathon bombing suspect last night, adults, children lining the streets there. it was an impromptu parade of sorts. we will go live to watertown for a live report coming up. >>> meanwhile, the london marathon, one of the largest in the world, will be run tomorrow. in a show of solidarity, runners will observe a mome
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